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Fugleart: Hvidrygget Stenpikker - (Oenanthe finschii) - Finsch's Wheatear
Fugleart (IOC): Hvidrygget Stenpikker (Oenanthe finschii) Finsch's Wheatear ssp. finschii - species factsheet
Stemme: Stemmer findes her (eksternt link).
Titel / info: black male
Lokalitet: Kizilkuyu, Sanliurfa, Tyrkiet
Dato: 25. maj 2011
Billede info: Denne sorte stenpikker er rapporteret som "Basaltstenpikker" - den sjældne og meget lidt udbredte sorte form af Klippestenpikker, der findes ved mørk basalt i S Syrien og N Jordan.
Eftersom Basaltstenpikker er dårligt kendt ville det være fint med kommentarer fra stenpikker-kyndige, for at udelukke f.eks. mørk fase af Orientstenpikker Oenanthe picata.
Fuglen danner par med Hvidrygget Stenpikker hun, og findes ved at køre ad vej 400 mellem Birezik og Sanliurfa. I Sanliurfas udkant peger et skilt med en gazelle mod syd - tag denne vej 7.5 km.

This black wheatear was reported as "Basalt Wheatear" - the poorly known and very range-restricted so-called black morph of Mourning Wheatear from black soil in S Syria and N Jordan.
As Basalt Wheatear is a poorly known form, I hope for comments from birders confidential with this form and other black wheatears from the Middle East. Could this bird be idenfifyed safely from the dark morph of Eastern Pied Wheatear (Oenanthe picata). The primaries showed pale in innerwebs, but according to the few aviable illustrations of Basalt Wheatear, the pale areas should possibly be more extensive?
The bird is paired with a female Finch´s Wheatear and present for some days. Directions: take road 400 between Birezik and Sanliurfa. in the outskris of Sanliurfa look for a brown sign with a gazelle. Turn south along dirt roas towards gazelle area and look for the wheatear 7.5 km from road 400.
Billede opsætning: Canon EOS50D med 400 mm. tele
Fotograf: Klaus Malling Olsen, Danmark
Uploadet den: 29. maj 2011
Hits: Billedet har været vist 3896 gange.



Kommentarer:

Jan Jörgensen skriver søndag 29. maj 2011 kl. 22.55
Hey Klaus.

Kanske lite matnyttigt Här

Möjligen ser du inte bildmaterialet - vilket kräver en inloggning. Gör det Klaus!

JanJ


Jan Jörgensen skriver søndag 29. maj 2011 kl. 23.09
En av fåglarna (Yoav's)ifråga har du säkert sett Klaus, nämnligen denna samt fler bilder av den bilder här

JanJ


Troels Leuenhagen Petersen skriver mandag 30. maj 2011 kl. 07.38
Jeg vover lige et lille indspark:
Hånden ser ikke så lys ud på dette billede (men måske mere lys på andre fotos: http://thebarleybird-er.blogspot.com/2011/05/interesting-wheatear-in-south-eastern.html). Jeg går ud fra, det er samme fugl (?).
Og burde Klippe-/Basaltstenpikker ikke have mørke spidser på håndsvingfjerene? (mindt så meget som ses på P4 i højre vinge). Og lysere hånddækfjer?

Og hvad med vingeformlen - ser det ikke også ud til at P3=P4=P5 ? Det taler vel imod Klippestenpikker. Men OK, det kræver nok yderligere fotos at forvisse sig om.

Mere om Basaltstenpikker: http://www.andrewsi.freeserve.co.uk/article-wheatear.htm

Her nævnes det samtidig, at bedste kendetegn til adskillelse fra Eastern Pied (=Variable Wheatear = O. picata) fra Basalt er: "They (Basalt) differ from Eastern Pied Wheatear in wing pattern in flight, fewer primary emarginations* (Cramp, 1988) and more extensive black on the undertail (see Clement, 1987)".
* "Fewer primary emarginations" vil her sige højst 2.

mvh
TLP



Troels Leuenhagen Petersen skriver mandag 30. maj 2011 kl. 07.49
Det er vist smartere sådan her:

TheBarleyBirder (flere fotos)


Basalt Wheatear (1994)


Troels Leuenhagen Petersen skriver mandag 30. maj 2011 kl. 09.46
Vrøvl!

Eastern Pied har indskæring på fire håndsvingfjer.

Eastern Pied has emarginations on four primaries.

P3-P6.


Henrik Pedersen skriver mandag 30. maj 2011 kl. 12.22
Hej Klaus.
Mit indtryk af Orientstenpikker, er en mere slank fugl, som bruger det meste af sin tid oppe i træerne. Det virker som om den har en levevis mere som en Rødstjert.


Peter Sunesen skriver tirsdag 31. maj 2011 kl. 15.08
Helt enig med Henrik. Glem 'Orientekspressen'.....

Syntes at den virker lidt for langnæbbet til lugens, og den savner jo aldeles det diagnostiske hvide 'flash' på hånd og arm!

Eksperter bedes kaste lys over bestemmelsen af denne mystiske fugl.

mvh.
Peter

English:

Expert opinions wanted on this odd bird....


Troels Leuenhagen Petersen skriver tirsdag 31. maj 2011 kl. 17.14
Hi Peter and Henrik,

KMO notes that the bird "showed pale in innerwebs (of primaries), but according to the few aviable illustrations of Basalt Wheatear, the pale areas should possibly be more extensive".

In the Basalt Wheatear-article (my 2nd link above) it is mentioned that the pale remex bases in Basalt is "much less extensive than in Mourning". Could this contribute in any way?

As Peter mentions, the bill seems not quite right (too long) for Mourning (lugens).

Might KMO or EVH have any pictures where the number of emarginations on the outer web of the primaries can be seen? (OK, I know this is very optimistic and would require really good photos, but anyway...).

That Eastern Pied (Variable) normally sticks to trees (as Henrik mentions) can't really rule out that possibility.
Peter seems certain that Eastern Pied is nonsense. Is that based on any plumage characters? (sorry for asking, but I don't know Eastern Pied, but got the impression that the two species are quite similar).

I must emphasize that I cannot identify this bird but I find it interesting, and hope that my contributions are not annoying.

TLP




Jan Jörgensen skriver tirsdag 31. maj 2011 kl. 17.19
Perhaps someone here might have some suggestions.

JanJ


Peter Sunesen skriver tirsdag 31. maj 2011 kl. 22.54
Troels,

Sorry, I should have been more elaborate.

I would guess Eastern Pied highly unlikely to breed in central Turkey (with a Finsch's wheatear!), but geografics aside, I perceive Eastern Pied as having the legs set quite differently compared to most other Wheatear-species.
They seem to come out from a more central point of the body, and they appear somewhat short as well.

Furthermore the tail seems rather long, thus creating a wing/tail ratio which is different from, say, Mourning, Finch's and Northern.

Peter



Peter Sunesen skriver tirsdag 31. maj 2011 kl. 23.52
It would be interesting to know if a (hitherto?) unknown black morph of Finch's Wheatear is a possibility, since the rare black morph of Mourning Wheatear from the Middle East, is dependent(?) of a specific habitat, and is frankly not a likely candidate for breeding in Turkey.

Peter


Jan Jörgensen skriver onsdag 1. juni 2011 kl. 13.25
Perhaps Variable after all - if Yoav´s suggestion is correct.

JanJ


Peter Sunesen skriver onsdag 1. juni 2011 kl. 14.56
Klaus,

Thanks for showing these images of an most intriguing bird.

From your comments I take it that the id. is not yet 'carved in basalt'.....what is your thoughts, and do you have photos showing whether the wingtips reach the black of the tail (as in lugens)or not(as in Finschii)?

How was its size compared to the female Finsch's it was seen with, and how does the suggestion of a dark morph Eastern Pied (picata) fit your(?) experience with said species ?

Peter


Peter Sunesen skriver torsdag 2. juni 2011 kl. 00.03
Jan,

I still don't see why this is a Variable. It simply does not look like one due to several discrepencies already mentioned.

Henrik is spot on with the Redstart comparison (I am aware that he solely refers to its habits), but if applied to the look of its legs (size and placements),they are certainly more Redstart-like than the very 'classic' Oenanthe captured here.

The thought of a Variable paired with a Finsch's so far away from the formers range, is IMO distinctly odd, so I look forward to see a coming photo here on Netfugl (from Eva Foss Henriksen) showing the pair together.

After having read the different discussions you so kindly linked to, I have a feeling that general concensus is hard to reach in this case................

Peter





Klaus Malling Olsen skriver fredag 10. juni 2011 kl. 12.38
Following the fruitful discussions and after consulting Eva´s excellent photoes, I have changed the title to Finch´s Wheatear.


Jan Jörgensen skriver fredag 30. november 2012 kl. 16.53
Speaking of Basalt Wheatear here´s an article worth reading (if you haven´t already?

JanJ




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